been to spain in 1990/91 and in 2000 visited segovia alcala toledo and aranjuez aranjuez was explicit bloody bullshit toledo was a horror compared with 10 yrs before segovia was so nice i returned there once! granja de san ildefonso, region of segovia is interesting castle was closed, garden was opened look at this www.nova.es www.nova.es www.google.es i did not visit palacio real 'cause putana de putin was there that day i met ramon and ariel in spain, my hotel was in plaza matute. going out friday afternoon is hell in madrid la plaza jaquino benavente is dreadful, and so is granvia. i had headache there as well, after having arrived (the first day). i was there 1-15 june in 2000